Example Indonesian Reaction to hearing their true history
The first half of this dialogue is included to keep it in context.
Indonesia schools only tell the State authorised version of history,
a fictional telling which blames the entire VoC period on the Dutch people.
The brutal VoC period lasted only from 1605 to 1795 and was the joint
work of Dutch businessmen and their Javanese elite business partners.
- Would appreciate feedback about this video.
It is the introduction to the OPM message to the United States for 2004,
we were hoping to dissuade Mr Bush from resuming US funding of the
Indonesian military and jihadist militia conducting the current genocide in West Papua.
Any advise how to improve message would be appreciated.
- My advise is to make peace, accept Indonesia, and develop Papua together. Bhinneka Tunggal Ika!
- genocide of everyone you don't like in the territory you
illegally occupied sounds suspiciously like what the Germans did to Jews,
Gypsies and Ukrainians in the Holocaust during World War II.
Thats not development, not unless you're a supremacist.
- I would suggest Indonesia stop beheading and burning Papuan townships, generally stop your
TNI and militia genocide and colonization actions before the law catches up with you and your
US business partners at Bechtel and Freeport McMoRan and Exxon and NewMont and Conoco-Philip.
No matter how many times the TNI tries to discredit the Papuan people's right to self-determination,
the fact remains that the TNI was lying in 1966 when it said there were only three to six hundred OPM in all of Papua,
and when in 2004 it again said there were only three to six hundred OPM in all of Papua.
You may hate the Papuan, the Acehense, the Dayaks, and the Javanese public;
but they will outlive the TNI and US companies which you are so in love with.
- Ok, this is my opinion.
Beheading, and burning township, are criminal acts. And we have to bring those criminal to the court. That's the solution. Being independent will not solve the problem. US is so powerful. Even if West Papua becomes independent, I am very sure that those companies will stay there and continue to abuse the land's resources. Do you know how Exxon Mobil get the contract in Cepu block in Java? We have to unite to fight those US companies abusive behaviour.
My message is clear. Indonesia is a changed nation. Let's develop Papua together. Indonesia belongs to you. Together we will make a great country.
By the way, want to introduce yourself. My name is from Bali. Religion is Hindu. I love everybody.
- yudhana wrote:
> Ok, this is my opinion.
> Beheading, and burning township, are criminal acts.
> And we have to bring those criminal to the court.
So is colonization. That is why decolonization was written into the UN Charter because they viewed most wars were the result of one nation wanting to thieve somebody elses's property.
> That's the solution.
Bringing someone to court will not undo the crime.
The only way to stop the crime of colonization is to stop the colonization.
> Being independent will not solve the problem.
You do not have the right to tell somebody else what they should or should not want. Maybe independence would be a bad choice, maybe if they voted to be part of Indonesia that would be a mistake.
But it is THEIR right to choose. Their choice. They have the right to make their own mistakes if they want to. You do not have the right to choose for them, George Bush does not, General Yudhoyono does not.
> US is so powerful. Even if West Papua becomes independent,
> I am very sure that those companies will stay there and
> continue to abuse the land's resources.
Maybe. But that would be a West Papuan choice. Some West Papuans want the mine to stay, some want it closed. Their land, their gold, their choice.
> Do you know how Exxon Mobil get the contract in Cepu
> block in Java? We have to unite to fight those US
> companies abusive behaviour.
The SAME way they created the Republic of Indonesia in 1950.
The same why the Dutch East Indies Company did.
By making business deals with Java's warlord / military elite.
> My message is clear. Indonesia is a changed nation.
Indonesia is still under the rule of the Generals and their business partners.
The Javanese people are still too apathic to take responsibility for the actions of their military and government.
Just like you asking to let the colonization of West Papua continue.
> Let's develop Papua together.
Papua is not yours to develop or do anything to.
> Indonesia belongs to you.
Indonesia belongs to you.
> Together we will make a great country.
Only you can make Indonesia a great country, if you accept that responsibility.
> By the way, want to introduce yourself.
Would not change the history, the current facts, the responsibility each nation and person has for themselves and for standing up for each other.
> My name is from Bali. Religion is Hindu.
> I love everybody.
That would be nice.
- One of the sad parts is that the Javanese people were on the verge of a wonderful new age when Sukarno and his Generals took over. The Javanese had been under the thumb of warlords for hundreds of years before the Dutch businessmen came in a couple of wooden boats, for hundred of years until 1795 they came under the joint thumbs of the Corporation and the ruling elite, then for sixty years the Netherlands not knowing any better allowed the colonial state to remain unimproved, only in the mid 19th century did colonialism become unpopular and distasteful to the Dutch, only then did they try to improve social services from education to the courts where farmers discovered they now had their own property rights.
Certainly the Volksraad was not a government, it was not meant to be. It was meant to give the people of Java their own voice, and to learn the concept that they could vote their representatives in & out of office.
It is understandable that a few people like Mohammad Hatta were impatient and called for a violent overthrow of the government. But it is a shame that Sukarno saw it as his opportunity to ask Japan to invade, and then work for a Asian war effort to get his hands onto power.
It is a great woe that equally corrupt men like John Rockefeller and Henry Ford's Ford Foundation group saw a chance for a local Javanese military power to become the region's new colonial master while their US companies became rich mining the colony's minerals.
Of course the Americans did not understand how self-serving and willfull Sukarno was, that he would not sign the contracts which Freeport and Exxon and the rest wanted signed. So a half million Javanese people died so that Suharto could ensure his claim to power and sign those contracts.
That is your Republic of Indonesia state that still exists today. Suharto may have wanted to resign to enjoy his old age, and mistakenly thought any idiot could be the President; and after that the TNI assumed a Islamic Cleric would think they way they did and were shocked when they found out that he had some actual care about the people outside of Jakarta, so we saw a return to the old ways as Sukarno's daughter took the position but she was like her father and in Washington told Pres. Bush what he wanted to hear - she had forgotten that in the modern world her Generals would hear of her words to GW Bush.; so now have have another General./
The man who help design Operation Scorched Earth in Dili, who took care of the Aceh problem for Megawati, and the man who would protect his fellow Generals and other TNI officers.
That is the Indonesia you want to keep ?
Before WW-II the Javanese people were a very decent people, peaceful and loving enough that they refused to aid an Axis power do to Asia and the Pacific what the Nazi were doing in Europe. But after Sukarno began talking a small number into forming volunteer groups and militia allowed to rob the rest of the people. Since then the Javanese have had sixty years of indoctrination by this same criminal militia class.
I can only hope that one day, the Javanese people will regain their soul and respect for human life and the world instead of greed for the almighty dollar and allowing the gun to have its way.
When the Javanese learn to love again, when they learn to respect love and others, then they could be a great people once again. Papua Merdeka. Jawa Merdeka. Because that's already their right.
- Nice argument. And I like your history knowledge, too. It certainly gives a new insight to me.
But hey, I'm only 24 right now. I have nothing to do with those TNI crimes. I hope we can keep in touch and continue the discussion, open each other mind. (I try to open my mind, I hope you will, too).
By the way, are you Papuan? Where are you at?BR>
Nice to talk to you.
- I'm happy to talk sometimes, and would equally appreciate hearing your understanding of history and the region.
I am not Papuan but many years ago decided to research the facts and history about Papua; especially one question,
how has the world's largest mine come to be in Papua and why do the Americans operate it?
My study of Indonesia's history was only because it was essential to put the Papua history and Corporate American actions into context.
By the way, want to hear great singers from Papua?
1. Sanobo Koni Sasamu :
2. Michael Jakarimilena :
Michael is really goood...
- I'm sorry I hadn't checked this account for a few weeks.
Thank You Very much, yes I would love to hear more singers from Papua, I have quite enjoyed the few contempory singers I have heard. I think music is sometimes like an expression of the soul, and I would love to collect a wide collection not only from Papua but also from many of the islands and people of the world. Also a good way to encourage people to appreciate the value of people in countries which they otherwise might not have any human empathy with.
Thanks again for the tips.